Question and Answer
Hello to all of the dedicated readers of this blog. I am requesting some ideas from you guys on how to make this blog a place that is more like a music community. When I first started Eclectic Grooves back in October of 2006, I had delusions of grandeur that it could become a thriving community for music junkies to share their thoughts/ideas about music. However after being in operation over a year-and-a-half, this has not been the case. Now, I realize that generally people download music and forget where they got it from later, and that leaving a comment doesn't even cross their minds. But, I have to say that the ratio of comments to downloads is pitiful lately. There has been two comments posted on the Ornette Coleman live show I posted on here, and it has been downloaded over 200 times. How am I supposed to know what you think of the music if you aren't leaving comments?
I know that other blogs like And It Don't Stop and Hippedetrippi have decided to go private with an invite-only basis for visitors. The idea is that you let 30 or so visitors in at a time which creates a community of like-minded listeners. I don't know if this is the right answer for me, but I might consider it if people like the idea. I would prefer to keep things the way they are, because I want to share music with as many people as possible.
A couple friennds of mine said that they loved the blog, but they couldn't figure out how to listen to the music. Typically I use file-sharing services like Sharebee, Massmirror or Mediafire to upload the music, because I don't have the money and resources to have my own file server. I realize that it would be much simpler to right click on the file and download it, but I am not at that stage yet. I will start uploading zip files for entire albums, since I have received feedback from some folks saying that they didn't know how to unzip a .rar file. Also I have uploaded single songs in the Box widget in the top left hand corner. If anyone has other suggestions for presenting the music on here, I am definitely open to suggestions.
I am looking to my dedicated readers for thoughts/suggestions on how to create more of a community of people who are interested in learning more about music and sharing their thoughts on their favorite bands, record labels, local scenes, etc. I have every intention of continuing on here, but receiving more comments will definitely inspire me to post more frequently. There won't be any new posts on here until I start receiving some feedback from you guys on the topics at hand.
I know that other blogs like And It Don't Stop and Hippedetrippi have decided to go private with an invite-only basis for visitors. The idea is that you let 30 or so visitors in at a time which creates a community of like-minded listeners. I don't know if this is the right answer for me, but I might consider it if people like the idea. I would prefer to keep things the way they are, because I want to share music with as many people as possible.
A couple friennds of mine said that they loved the blog, but they couldn't figure out how to listen to the music. Typically I use file-sharing services like Sharebee, Massmirror or Mediafire to upload the music, because I don't have the money and resources to have my own file server. I realize that it would be much simpler to right click on the file and download it, but I am not at that stage yet. I will start uploading zip files for entire albums, since I have received feedback from some folks saying that they didn't know how to unzip a .rar file. Also I have uploaded single songs in the Box widget in the top left hand corner. If anyone has other suggestions for presenting the music on here, I am definitely open to suggestions.
I am looking to my dedicated readers for thoughts/suggestions on how to create more of a community of people who are interested in learning more about music and sharing their thoughts on their favorite bands, record labels, local scenes, etc. I have every intention of continuing on here, but receiving more comments will definitely inspire me to post more frequently. There won't be any new posts on here until I start receiving some feedback from you guys on the topics at hand.
Comments
Cheers for the music and keep it up!
I am noticing that most bloggers are putting their download links in the comment section, which usually prompts visitors to leave a comment since they are already there. You may want to try that approach as an alternative to going private.
I for one enjoy the various selections that you offer. I don't get the opportunity to visit regularly due to being busy, not to mention the fact that there are so many different blogs out there, but I do try to acknowledge the fact that I did visit (especially if I download something), if just to say thanks for doing your thing.
I hope that you will get more positive responses and continue to do your thing.
Peace and blessings.
Often someone would ask for a completely different album than the one that I posted, but that's fair game and often someone would step up with the file in the comments. That was always gratifying and fun for everyone.
I think a lot of people just surf around too fast to comment, whether it's courteous or not.
It's also so damn time consuming as well. I like how yours is very original and consistently well written. And if I didn't say thanks for the Ornette boot, thanks!
most interestingly is that members are awarded points on comments and voting; an accumulation of points leads to the ability to also post songs...
you may not want other people posting, and i don't have the technological know-how to tell you how point systems work on online sites...but there are some ideas, at least, to instigate community participation...
all the best!
sometimes i think people have too much to look at, listen to, do these days. too many choices. the sheer volume of music, movies, and information means we're always on to the next thing. that, and as said, many people aren't good at expressing themselves. it's human nature to want recognition for something we've created. many blogs have the same experience and i believe that's why many of them fold. internet participation can be as personal or impersonal as one wishes, and given the choice, i think most people take and run. even if they don't mean it like that.
with so much of music being homogenized on radio, itunes, and in stores these days, your blog and others are bastions for something different and eclectic. being different has always been a lonely game, but you can be sure you're affecting people with your music, comments or not.
cog
thanks for your comment @ the growing bin that directed me onto your amazing blog. I really enjoy the variety of different musical styles over here.
That comment issue is really frustrating for most of the guys spending their time ripping and uploading. In my last post I've tried to get some help (info) by the downloading fraction and actually 2 of 800 downloaders gave something back.
Back to your blog:
How about giving out the download links on request?
cheers,
Basso
As for communities of likeminded people - it would be great but with so many blogs out there it seems a little optimistic - a lot of poles and russians post through actual forums which encourages chat - maybe a widget that duplicate the text of posts in a forum that we all sign up to with links back to here for downloads and stuff (maybe sorted by genre) might encourage a more communal feel - with so many blogs closing (tunestop eightfires ablazeola etc) its needed.
I'll have a think about a widget and location for a forum if it sounds like a good idea - the problem with blogs it that the comments are hidden where as a forum is a bit more open to chat.
PS Love the whirling Dervish got me into some new artists in a jiff...
for the most part however, i'm pleased by the number of hits & downloads that my site receives, despite the overall lack of wider reader response. although feedback & acknowledgment is greatly appreciated and always valued, i've come to realize that in the digital age where one doesn't need to work very hard for their music fix, free music downloads are considered standard operating procedure. in my time, i had to go across town to my favorite record store, root through the bins, consider my $ budget, get back home, unwrap the disc, lower the tonearm and transport. that process makes one appreciate the music so much more. but i'm sounding like an old mad here, "i remember when clark bars were only a nickel!!" the point is, our interests have been made that much more accessible to us via the web. it's a double-edged sword. easy availability = under appreciation & devalued worth, the scourge of the western world, the u.s. in particular.
you may find this post of interest:
http://birdswithbrokenwings.blogspot.com/
2008/01/q-with-author-of-birds-with-broken.html
good luck to you! i look forward to perusing your site, and will leave comments!
My comments
1. People often don't have an immediate verbal response to the music offered. Unless they were already looking for it, they might be intrigued by your description or curious. They download, they listen, perhaps later, they enjoy or not. in the flow of things, the time for a comment rarely comes.
A "mechanical" "Thank you" might be enforced or at least promoted, but I very much doubt that you want that.
2. Your blog is a regular or semi-regular place to be visited by people who have bookmarked it - ie, the music is one they like. They also visit other blogs, forums and communities, sometimes close in spirit to yours - how could it be otherwise ? It's only logical people don't remember where they downloaded a particular album from. On the other hand, they think "Eclectic Grooves is a place where I can find great music".
3. Communities already exist. You can create another one of course, but I think it would have to be a forum. Why on the other hand not be more active in an already existing one, like skafunkrastapunk or jazzbabel for example, and perhaps introduce a somewhat different direction with your particular flair ?
4. Of course, what inspires you for posting music is not for me to say. As for me, not a blogger, in SoulSeek and torrents I don't expect feedback. I like putting in circulation music otherwise marginal - if and when some kind of comment comes, it's a bonus but not a motive. The main difference here is the trouble you take to introduce us to the music, to lead people who know nothing about it to become curious. Whenever I have written comments or descriptions for music uploaded, I have enjoyed the process for me and I imagine that some people find it a door for something they like, perhaps a lot. That's the best I can suggest to you, I don't know if it is enough.
That's it for now - again, thanks for the great music.
i can understand your feelings about the whole download/comment thing. some of the tracks i post get over 1000 downloads, but no comments. people just don't appreciate the fact that they're getting all this music for free and that most of the bloggers are buying the music they post. i thought about going private, but i want to present and share all these forgotten gems.
anyway, thanks for all the amazing music you share.
mike
Giving music to the people is simply beautiful, and you know it's good.
If it's for free (great in our $$$ world !), it's for free, even without people's answer ... but you've done well.
Here is a summary of the thoughts/suggestions from the readers of Eclectic Grooves:
1) Put links in the comments section to inspire people to post a comment while they are accessing the download link. I just posted the Cecil Taylor links in the comments, so we'll see if this method makes a difference
2) Sign up as a member to the site(free membership) to receive download links. Members are awarded points on comments and voting; an accumulation of points leads to the ability to also post songs.
3) Give out the download links on request through e-mail.
4)Widget that duplicates the text of posts in a forum that we all sign up to with links back to here for downloads and stuff (maybe sorted by genre) might encourage a more communal feel
5) Bribing people into a response by offering a prize (ie: post a music mix with an obscure and untitled bonus track at the end. whoever is 1st to guess the name & artist, wins a cd of my choosing after privately sending their mailing address
6) Be more active in an already existing forum like skafunkrastapunk or jazzbabel and perhaps introduce a somewhat different direction with your particular flair
Thanks again to all of you for your thoughts and suggestions!
Cheers, Kevin
So, here's my bit for now... I'll wait for the Howlin' Wolf album to download, and will leave a comment in the appropriate blog post. (Additionally, I shall also go about exploring your site.)
Thanks again for the wonderful job you're doing of sharing.